Rachael Ray and her husband of nearly 20 years have a “strange way” of maintaining balance in their marriage.

During the third episode of Ray’s new podcast, “I’ll Sleep When I’m Dead” Ray invited guest Jacques Pépin to discuss the importance of marriage. Ray told the French chef that she and her husband, musician and attorney John Cusimano, “brought something to each other.”

“You know, (John is) a lawyer and a musician,” Ray began. “I’m not a musician. I’m certainly not a lawyer. I hate reading legal documents and official stuff, but we balance each other out in a weird way. We allow each other to open up to different worlds.”

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Rachel Ray and her husband John Cusimano have a “strange way” of balancing each other. (Getty Images)

She added: “I also think it’s fun to be able to get your thoughts out there honestly.”

Ray and Cusimano married in Italy in 2005 and renewed their vows in 2015 at the same Tuscan castle where they said, “I do.”

“You know, (John is) a lawyer and a musician. I’m not a musician. I am certainly not a lawyer. I hate reading legal documents and official stuff, but we balance each other out in a weird way. We allow each other to be open to different worlds.”

— Rachael Ray

During the podcast, Ray credited her husband for being an “essential” part of her success.

“I love my husband, John, and John works with me and built our business and brand together, but we agreed on the concept of service to the community, service to the world, service to animals and children,” Ray said.

Cusimano is a musician and entertainment attorney. (Noam Galai)

She continued: “It was very important for me to marry him because I thought this person could be a real partner in what I believe in and helping people and building not a business but a community.”

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It’s not the first time Ray has spoken candidly about her marriage to Cusimano on her podcast, which debuted in October. First Food Network star revealed some unconventional tips and tricks that help keep your relationship strong.

“I’m very, wildly, extremely lucky to have my husband,” she said in the first episode of the podcast. “But he understands that I need my space. He needs his space.”

Rachael Ray and husband John Cusimano married in 2005. (Jamie McCarthy)

She also said that she and Cusimano do not believe in avoiding conflict.

“It’s really hard, especially for hot-tempered or creative or loud, boisterous people to be able to calm down,” Ray told her guest, Jenny Mollen.

“John and I never settle down. We have huge screaming matches all the time, but I think it’s healthy. I really do. And I don’t trust people who are too quiet.

Rachael Ray said she and her husband “never settle down.” (Getty Images)

“Too quiet scares me. I’d rather you tell me what you think when you think about it and let’s get it all out there.”

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Ray and Cusimano also have a unique way of making up after a fight.

Ray isn’t afraid to argue with her husband of nearly 20 years. (John Lamparski)

“I don’t know if we ever apologize to each other,” he said “30 Minute Meals” star. said. “Eventually, he’ll pet his a… or kiss me on the head, and that’s about it. These are the excuses.

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“It’s just kind of understandable. “I still like to–. I still like your head.” It’s about in that area.”